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Post by GrahamDale on Sept 18, 2003 17:59:56 GMT
hi chris dont mean to sound ignorant but i competed against you on sunday and cant remember wich lad you where are you the tall lad in with glasses  |
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Post by Bob Daglish on Sept 18, 2003 19:14:14 GMT
Its time the people who would like this sport to move on set some ground rules and standards that people like myself can follow when we have a show or comp.
I am happy with the way i try to get novice to compete with lads a higher standard, I think my shows work well as Simon Morton was a Novice competing with the likes of Steve Brooks, Rob Dixon & Mal Kaye about 3 years ago, now Jonna Graham, Graham Dale & Chris Shaw are competing with Billy little, Mark Lawson & Simon Morton who all did BSM northen heat at stanley this year.
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Post by GrahamDale on Sept 18, 2003 19:29:15 GMT
last year mark lawson was novice now he's a future star, whilst the majority of us have progressed he's took the bull by the horns and really set his stall out and its payed off , this goes to show you cant put time limits on how long ur a novice , i think top 3 in an open show and your probly intermediate but may not be quite bsm standard but when its happening on a regular basis you must be then classed as an advanced intermediate
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Post by Tom viking power on Sept 18, 2003 21:35:32 GMT
ok so what are we saying?
Maybe we have to just define the 'open' level competitor and simply the rest are then classed as 'novice' .
Then lets leave it to promoters to set the entry criteria for there comps; ie, under 225lb, over 40's or first time competitors etc.
I don't think you will ever find the perfect answer,
Maybe the pro / am approach is the way, maybe we need a proper federation to over see the sport ... Phil you want that job.
But no matter what I would love to see this nationwide novice comp happen
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Post by Bob daglish on Sept 18, 2003 21:40:20 GMT
Its time for the promoters to get together to set standards for the athletes. So we all have the same standard of novice, and events with the same rules.
Its time the big boys like ifsa give the the lower leagues support so new athletes can be found this can happen and by getter the promoters in England together we may once again have a world champion
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Post by Tom viking power on Sept 18, 2003 22:09:22 GMT
Bob agree completly.
So come on guys lets put some names forward and lets do this. Set something down as a uk standard for the forth coming 2004 season
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Post by if it happens on Sept 19, 2003 9:11:37 GMT
a small point we are all forgeting (money) people like phil bob and other promoters have no backing from ifsa unless dr edmunds gets a cut of this he wont entertant it all he wants is a nice venue with a big pay packet . come lads we at this level mean sh#t to him and his board .
but maybe if someone with balls mite be able to start a novice leage but as we all know duggie owns the lot it well be hard very hard to do . but we can keep trying
its a great idea if we can make it novice north and south then a final
the do it in other sports why not this one
coz one person runs the lot SHAME dont we agree
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Post by ken on Sept 19, 2003 12:18:06 GMT
imo...ifsa shouldn't be involved,its down to you to progress to the standards they require.but here in uk we can get things together ourselves,in that i mean,competitors,fans,promotors etc.The promotor of a show i don't think is a easy one,time money and effort is needed.plus if you do this league and your show clashes with a money paying show,you know what could happen.Competitors already pay a fee to the ifsa,then howabout have a uk body you pay subs too.lets say when you enter the comp you pay the promotor and he forwards it on.
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Post by Olly Jackson on Sept 19, 2003 12:35:26 GMT
Why do we need the IFSA?, the BAWLA is an example of a well worked 'federation' as such. Why not create something similar but for strongman? An amateur strongman federation. This could oversee things like a national competition.
Promotors like Bob, Phil, Colin would have an organisation to work through and it would encourage collaboration on moving the sport forward in this country. The fact that we would be a 'federation' as such may open up funding possibilities through things like council sports grants and lottery funding. If the sport is to move forward, as Im sure we all agree it should, then something like this needs to be set up. The promoters who do such a sterling effort of running comps for us need the support they deserve.
I know id be more than willing to give up my time to set something up. And im sure others would too.
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Post by ken on Sept 19, 2003 12:45:38 GMT
All my family was involved 1 or another in the south coast promotion,helping out anyway was needed.lots more were there doing the same there to.i'm glad you agree that the ifsa not needed.this is a uk pie and we are going to eat it.Olley theres a nice buzz in the air,lets keep buzzing through the winter and come on 2004
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Post by yes yes on Sept 19, 2003 13:19:38 GMT
ken and olly i like what your say i love the buzz of strongman people and fans but you both know ifsa is the board the state what events and weights that are needed for strongman and woman and we start to get better support at this level .the big cheeses wont like .
look what happin to B.G.R and how much money he made for IFSA
ken r u goin sunday if so il c u there
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Post by ken on Sept 19, 2003 14:19:11 GMT
yes yes i is going man,but don't knows were i is going will look in paper 4 info dood
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Post by on any givin sunday on Sept 19, 2003 14:30:44 GMT
ken what i ment was strood with jay alex and boys
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Post by me on Sept 19, 2003 14:36:49 GMT
spoke to mike he's following andy sunday so i was going to look in the paper for a gym in strood that is opening soon.to get address thats what a mean man
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Post by Darren on Sept 19, 2003 15:08:04 GMT
I agree with all that's been said about droping IFSA.
IFSA is not the grand all encompassing governing body of strength they like to think they are. You only have to look at what they did to Jill Mills to see how the organization can be manipulated to meet it's own wants and needs. IFSA is simply a self governing organization that set there own rules as they go along and insist that anyone who competes at one of there events is an IFSA member. Anyone can become an IFSA member just by sending them a cheque! They are not and never will be an olympic recognised association as they never test for drugs. I won't get onto that subject as we all now the score.
Therefore anyone can set up a strength federation \ association and start holding there own competitions, setting there own standards etc. BSM & WSM are made jointly by the BBC & TWI. If you get this show on the road, who knows, in a couple of years, if the organisation and planning is there and you approach the right tv company you could easily have an organisation far superior to IFSA.
Weight catagories don't work in strength athletics. Look at the difference between Glen Ross and Marc Iliffe, about 10 st!
regards to all
Darren
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